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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Camp 22&#8242; document a fake?</title>
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		<title>By: Wedge</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/03/camp-22-document-a-fake/#comment-1804</link>
		<dc:creator>Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2004 23:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I'm not happy to be right (maybe right, anyway, let's see how this plays out - good points by Chris).  I as much as the next guy - no, probably more than the next guy if the next guy is a South Korean - want to see Little Elvis deposed and delivered to Armin Meiwes on a platter.  I was living in Seoul in the summer of '94 when his daddy threatened to turn said metropolis into a sea of fire.  I took it personally.

The BBC's credibility is so shot to hell that they oughtta pull an Andersen, as in Andersen Accounting.  Hasta la vista, baby.


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TITLE: Access to Evil
BLOG NAME: Barry Talks!
The BBC runs a documentary on North Korea's prison camps (which hopefully will be on PBS Frontline soon), but stirs up some controversy of its own in the process.

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TITLE: Hyberbolic Distractions
BLOG NAME: Kamelian X-Rays
The Marmot does some nifty investigative journalism here, but what are the pragmatic consequences of this? It's not as if western ambassadors are at a loss to devise a way to get the North Koreans to storm out of a

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TITLE: The Charge of the Demented Brigade
BLOG NAME: Kamelian X-Rays
North Korea is becoming the latest coffee-table fashion of the blogosphere, and the naive manner in which the exhortations are flowing is disturbing. First, though, the easy-link-as-you-go habits of the bloggerati reek more of the dilettante than of th...

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TITLE: Marmot Vindicated...Sort Of?
BLOG NAME: Kamelian X-Rays
From a FT article (via Oranckay) nothing good comes for the Marmot. What is this current affairs magazine mentioned? ...Weeks after its two top bosses resigned over a discredited report on Iraq, the British broadcaster is facing scrutiny over a
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m not happy to be right (maybe right, anyway, let&#8217;s see how this plays out - good points by Chris).  I as much as the next guy - no, probably more than the next guy if the next guy is a South Korean - want to see Little Elvis deposed and delivered to Armin Meiwes on a platter.  I was living in Seoul in the summer of &#8216;94 when his daddy threatened to turn said metropolis into a sea of fire.  I took it personally.</p>
<p>The BBC&#8217;s credibility is so shot to hell that they oughtta pull an Andersen, as in Andersen Accounting.  Hasta la vista, baby.</p>
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TITLE: Access to Evil<br />
BLOG NAME: Barry Talks!<br />
The BBC runs a documentary on North Korea&#8217;s prison camps (which hopefully will be on PBS Frontline soon), but stirs up some controversy of its own in the process.</p>
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TITLE: Hyberbolic Distractions<br />
BLOG NAME: Kamelian X-Rays<br />
The Marmot does some nifty investigative journalism here, but what are the pragmatic consequences of this? It&#8217;s not as if western ambassadors are at a loss to devise a way to get the North Koreans to storm out of a</p>
<p>PING:<br />
TITLE: The Charge of the Demented Brigade<br />
BLOG NAME: Kamelian X-Rays<br />
North Korea is becoming the latest coffee-table fashion of the blogosphere, and the naive manner in which the exhortations are flowing is disturbing. First, though, the easy-link-as-you-go habits of the bloggerati reek more of the dilettante than of th&#8230;</p>
<p>PING:<br />
TITLE: Marmot Vindicated&#8230;Sort Of?<br />
BLOG NAME: Kamelian X-Rays<br />
From a FT article (via Oranckay) nothing good comes for the Marmot. What is this current affairs magazine mentioned? &#8230;Weeks after its two top bosses resigned over a discredited report on Iraq, the British broadcaster is facing scrutiny over a</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/03/camp-22-document-a-fake/#comment-1803</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several things. Ive read a lot of defectors accounts, and  I've actually heard of these glass rooms before, they were mentioned by Kim Yong as being described to him at Camp 18 by a female inmate who had been taken to another camp for chemical experimentaion, but who survived, only to be killed shortly after returning to Camp 18 because she knew too much. Evidently, Camp 18 also has a guesthose where young girls are sent to 'entertain' visiting high party officials. After the official leaves, they are killed.

Ahn Myong Chol has an extensive description of Camp 22 which was written up in the Monthly Chosun a few years ago. There is a link to a PDF of his description from the home page of my site at www.freenorthkorea.net

The story is consistant with many others. The document may or not be genuine, but Ahn Myong Chol, a defector who is a former guard at Hoeryong (Camp 22) feels that it IS genuine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several things. Ive read a lot of defectors accounts, and  I&#8217;ve actually heard of these glass rooms before, they were mentioned by Kim Yong as being described to him at Camp 18 by a female inmate who had been taken to another camp for chemical experimentaion, but who survived, only to be killed shortly after returning to Camp 18 because she knew too much. Evidently, Camp 18 also has a guesthose where young girls are sent to &#8216;entertain&#8217; visiting high party officials. After the official leaves, they are killed.</p>
<p>Ahn Myong Chol has an extensive description of Camp 22 which was written up in the Monthly Chosun a few years ago. There is a link to a PDF of his description from the home page of my site at <a href="http://www.freenorthkorea.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.freenorthkorea.net</a></p>
<p>The story is consistant with many others. The document may or not be genuine, but Ahn Myong Chol, a defector who is a former guard at Hoeryong (Camp 22) feels that it IS genuine.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Warner</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/03/camp-22-document-a-fake/#comment-1802</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2004 02:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the rare occasion that the BBC and The Guardian simultaneously report on evidence a bloody dictator should be removed, they might have found dubious evidence?

They couldn't be misled, could they? Could they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the rare occasion that the BBC and The Guardian simultaneously report on evidence a bloody dictator should be removed, they might have found dubious evidence?</p>
<p>They couldn&#8217;t be misled, could they? Could they?</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/03/camp-22-document-a-fake/#comment-1801</link>
		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a big huge ? question ? area of my brain where I place stuff that needs further information.  This latest revelation about North Korea fits into it.

Having said that, I can't give much faith at all in a South Korean government that kept the famous, big time North Korea defector whose name I don't remember under wraps in South Korea and wouldn't let him come to the US or if I remember correctly let orgs from the outside come into Korea to hear what he had to say.

And this is just one key example of how the Korean gov since 1998 have gone to significant lengths to protect North Korea from attack.

And South Korean society is right in line.  When the James Bond movie came out, didn't they get all tore up about "Korea" looking like a run down backwater with images of oxen used for farming  when those images were the shots of NORTH Korea, not the South???

I guess the South had a point, though they didn't know it......I guess not too many oxen made it through the famine....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a big huge ? question ? area of my brain where I place stuff that needs further information.  This latest revelation about North Korea fits into it.</p>
<p>Having said that, I can&#8217;t give much faith at all in a South Korean government that kept the famous, big time North Korea defector whose name I don&#8217;t remember under wraps in South Korea and wouldn&#8217;t let him come to the US or if I remember correctly let orgs from the outside come into Korea to hear what he had to say.</p>
<p>And this is just one key example of how the Korean gov since 1998 have gone to significant lengths to protect North Korea from attack.</p>
<p>And South Korean society is right in line.  When the James Bond movie came out, didn&#8217;t they get all tore up about &#8220;Korea&#8221; looking like a run down backwater with images of oxen used for farming  when those images were the shots of NORTH Korea, not the South???</p>
<p>I guess the South had a point, though they didn&#8217;t know it&#8230;&#8230;I guess not too many oxen made it through the famine&#8230;.</p>
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