Comments on: Not quite evil enough for you? http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/01/not-quite-evil-enough-for-you/ Korea... in Blog Format Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:06:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: john http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/01/not-quite-evil-enough-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1797 john Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:54:19 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=503#comment-1797 Chusok... If we tell the people we want to save to go to Pusan, free up a couple extra trains, and move the whole capital south without telling the norks, they might just surrender when they didn't have any women or children to shoot at... Yeah, I know, it would never work... the "professors" and some of the "students" would give it away... But I think we're all fotgetting that it isn't the missiles, cannons, guns, bombs, knives, and pointed sticks of the norks that yer average under-30 Korean worries about... it's those hegemonistic miguns... Maybe this could be an honorable mention for the Darwin Awards? Chusok…

If we tell the people we want to save to go to Pusan, free up a couple extra trains, and move the whole capital south without telling the norks, they might just surrender when they didn’t have any women or children to shoot at…

Yeah, I know, it would never work… the “professors” and some of the “students” would give it away…

But I think we’re all fotgetting that it isn’t the missiles, cannons, guns, bombs, knives, and pointed sticks of the norks that yer average under-30 Korean worries about… it’s those hegemonistic miguns…

Maybe this could be an honorable mention for the Darwin Awards?

]]> By: Antti http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/01/not-quite-evil-enough-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1796 Antti Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:40:04 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=503#comment-1796 I understand that there might be need to remind that this is a Guardian report, but I don't think this is anything special in Guardian's DPRK reporting. I understand that there might be need to remind that this is a Guardian report,
but I don’t think this is anything special in Guardian’s DPRK reporting.

]]> By: The Marmot http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/01/not-quite-evil-enough-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1795 The Marmot Tue, 03 Feb 2004 00:43:47 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=503#comment-1795 Wedge -- I actually see the BBC and the Guardian running this story as a boon to its credibility in certain quarters. If it was FOX running the story, you'd have people saying that it was simply a Republican ploy to justify pressure on North Korea. Certainly, no one will make the same accusations against the Beeb and the Guardian. Wedge — I actually see the BBC and the Guardian running this story as a boon to its credibility in certain quarters. If it was FOX running the story, you’d have people saying that it was simply a Republican ploy to justify pressure on North Korea. Certainly, no one will make the same accusations against the Beeb and the Guardian.

]]> By: ari(w)rong http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/01/not-quite-evil-enough-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1794 ari(w)rong Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:51:34 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=503#comment-1794 How did we allow this to go on? ... We can't be as powerless as we seem, can we? Other than expressing our disapproval and perhaps not engaging econmically, we are not in the business of dictating how other governments treat their own populace. We have neither the desire, manpower, will or resources to be the world's mom/moral conscience. At best we look out for our own security and that of friendly governments from external threats. Besides its amazing the extent to which a populace freed from a repressive government still resent the interference of an outside power in their internal affairs. Iraq being the prime example. I think the neo-cons actually believed the people in Iraq would celebrate our troops as liberators and greet our troops with flowers. Talk about buying into your own hype/being delusional. I realize the North Korean case is extreme but ... How did we allow this to go on? … We can’t be as powerless as we seem, can we?

Other than expressing our disapproval and perhaps not engaging econmically, we are not in the business of dictating how other governments treat their own populace. We have neither the desire, manpower, will or resources to be the world’s mom/moral conscience. At best we look out for our own security and that of friendly governments from external threats.

Besides its amazing the extent to which a populace freed from a repressive government still resent the interference of an outside power in their internal affairs. Iraq being the prime example. I think the neo-cons actually believed the people in Iraq would celebrate our troops as liberators and greet our troops with flowers. Talk about buying into your own hype/being delusional.

I realize the North Korean case is extreme but …

]]> By: Wedge http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/01/not-quite-evil-enough-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1793 Wedge Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:48:47 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=503#comment-1793 Look, this is a BBC report. Their credibility is in the shitter. They're a bunch of holier-than-thou sanctimonious twits - you only need watch BBC World News for five minutes to figure that out. Not that I'm trying to defend Little Elvis or anything - I just wish the source was more credible. Look, this is a BBC report. Their credibility is in the shitter. They’re a bunch of holier-than-thou sanctimonious twits - you only need watch BBC World News for five minutes to figure that out. Not that I’m trying to defend Little Elvis or anything - I just wish the source was more credible.

]]> By: Michael http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/01/not-quite-evil-enough-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1792 Michael Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:21:33 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=503#comment-1792 Actually, Mr. Marmot just expended very nicely on what I meant about SK gov't silence. I especially agree with his conclusion, if you're going to deal with the NK acknowledge to your people that you're dealing with a dictatorship, and spare them the "sunshine." Actually, Mr. Marmot just expended very nicely on what I meant about SK gov’t silence. I especially agree with his conclusion, if you’re going to deal with the NK acknowledge to your people that you’re dealing with a dictatorship, and spare them the “sunshine.”

]]> By: Brian http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/01/not-quite-evil-enough-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1791 Brian Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:37:14 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=503#comment-1791 Marmot, Perhaps I'm being unfair to Bush for criticizing his NK policy... like you said, Clinton was doing the same 19 years ago. To be more spcific... I'm unhappy with the American government - no matter who is running it - sitting down with those monsters. It gives them legitimacy they don't deserve and sullies our own record on human rights (which is far from perfect to begin with). Brian Marmot,

Perhaps I’m being unfair to Bush for criticizing his NK policy… like you said, Clinton was doing the same 19 years ago. To be more spcific… I’m unhappy with the American government - no matter who is running it - sitting down with those monsters. It gives them legitimacy they don’t deserve and sullies our own record on human rights (which is far from perfect to begin with).

Brian

]]> By: The Marmot http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/01/not-quite-evil-enough-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1790 The Marmot Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:02:28 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=503#comment-1790 There isn't much the South Korean government can do about what's going on in the North. Frankly there isn't much anybody can do about it. What does disgust me, however, is that some South Korean "progressives" have, at times, sought to downplay or even deny that gross violations of human rights are taking place in the North. The often bewildering statements made by Minister of Unification Jeong Se-hyeon are only the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure I need not remind readers of how the head of South Korea's human rights commission couldn't answer whether human rights abuses were more serious in North Korea or South Korea, although he and his commission were able to determine that the War in Iraq constituted a human rights abuse. And then there was the decision to sit out the EU-sponsored UN vote to condemn human rights abuses in the North. And before I get jumped on for being a pro-Bush wacko, let me point out to the more "multilaterally-minded" that France has refused to establish diplomatic relations with Pyongyang because of the its human rights record. I can understand arguments in favor of enagement, even if I don't happened to agree with them. But if you're going to engage (i.e., pump money into) North Korea, the least you can do is be honest -- both with yourself and with the voters -- about what it is that you're engaging. There isn’t much the South Korean government can do about what’s going on in the North. Frankly there isn’t much anybody can do about it. What does disgust me, however, is that some South Korean “progressives” have, at times, sought to downplay or even deny that gross violations of human rights are taking place in the North. The often bewildering statements made by Minister of Unification Jeong Se-hyeon are only the tip of the iceberg. I’m sure I need not remind readers of how the head of South Korea’s human rights commission couldn’t answer whether human rights abuses were more serious in North Korea or South Korea, although he and his commission were able to determine that the War in Iraq constituted a human rights abuse. And then there was the decision to sit out the EU-sponsored UN vote to condemn human rights abuses in the North. And before I get jumped on for being a pro-Bush wacko, let me point out to the more “multilaterally-minded” that France has refused to establish diplomatic relations with Pyongyang because of the its human rights record. I can understand arguments in favor of enagement, even if I don’t happened to agree with them. But if you’re going to engage (i.e., pump money into) North Korea, the least you can do is be honest — both with yourself and with the voters — about what it is that you’re engaging.

]]> By: Daniel Mckellen http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/01/not-quite-evil-enough-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1789 Daniel Mckellen Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:43:59 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=503#comment-1789 True, Michael. However, the South Korean government has tried to improve situations in the North in the past, only to be threatened to shut up or face an invasion. I came up with a few solutions to the problem. Most of them are absurd, but don't get angry with me. 1. Sent spies to assassinate the whole ruling Kim family in North Korea and allow the country fall into chaos as the upper class struggle for power. Once North Korea falls into confusion, invade and take over. 2. Evacuate all of the people of South Korea to several nations and tell them to wait while the South Korean and United States ivade and take over the North. 3. Bomb every missile pad, army bases, railroads as well as the large cities of North Korea. After all, all of the people who inhabitate these cities are supporters of the regime. True, Michael. However, the South Korean government has tried to improve situations in the North in the past, only to be threatened to shut up or face an invasion.

I came up with a few solutions to the problem. Most of them are absurd, but don’t get angry with me.

1. Sent spies to assassinate the whole ruling Kim family in North Korea and allow the country fall into chaos as the upper class struggle for power. Once North Korea falls into confusion, invade and take over.

2. Evacuate all of the people of South Korea to several nations and tell them to wait while the South Korean and United States ivade and take over the North.

3. Bomb every missile pad, army bases, railroads as well as the large cities of North Korea. After all, all of the people who inhabitate these cities are supporters of the regime.

]]> By: Michael http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/02/01/not-quite-evil-enough-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1788 Michael Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:30:00 +0000 http://rjkoehler.com/?p=503#comment-1788 The silence of South Korea's government on this is repulsive. The silence of South Korea’s government on this is repulsive.

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