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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/12/27/asia-blogs-award-contest-comments/#comment-1237</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

Your Korean is much better than mine so I haven't been able to keep good tabs on the the comments over at his site.

You say he is complaining about that fact that noone told him about the awards. I don't see why we would be obligated to inform him about the blog awards... it's right there on the flying chair website for the world to see. If it's in English and thus out of his usual sphere, well... that's his problem. I would never think to complain if freechal ran a best Korean blog award and noone notified me.

Look, I have no problem with Korean-language entries on the list of nominees. If one of his readers thinks his site his the best, then he or she should go right ahead and vote for him. I do have a problem with 1) the race card being played (perhaps my translation was off the mark, but race was brought up), 2) the begging and groveling for votes, 3) and the ballot stuffing that goes on whenever Koreans get involve in such a survey. He's guilty of the first two, and I'm betting that many of his "voters" are guilty of the third.

Yea, I'm upset... I'm upset because I was dumb enough to think that such a survey could be done without KOrean netizens catching wind of it and ruining the entire thing... just like they always do. I thought that maybe we could have a reasonably fair-and-square voting system, where the winner, whoever it is, would be deserving of the title.

Instead, the whole thing was turned into a joke.

And that's my last word on the subject...


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BLOG NAME: 째징?? 째?쨈??? 쩐횈쩍쨘??쨍째
쨀짧?? 쩌?쩍??? ???횠 ??쨍째쨈?째? ?횩쩍?쨈?쨈?. ??째징 쩐?쩌??? ??쩐?쩌짯 ??쨀?쩔징 횈첨쩍쨘횈짰쨍? ??쩌쨘 쨍첩?? 째? 째째쩐횈 ??짹? 쩐짼쨌?째? ??쨈?쨈?. 쨀짧쨈? ?? 횈첨쩍쨘횈짰쨍? ??쩌쨘??쨍? 쨍?쨔첩??쨀짧

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TITLE: On-line Voting..
BLOG NAME: Gossips about Everything in Korea
Maybe some(maybe most of) foreigners are condemning one korean blogger's post asking his readers to vote for his blog site at Asia Blog Awards. You can smell a tense atmosphere in Marmot's post and Cathartidae's post. In this case, It...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>Your Korean is much better than mine so I haven&#8217;t been able to keep good tabs on the the comments over at his site.</p>
<p>You say he is complaining about that fact that noone told him about the awards. I don&#8217;t see why we would be obligated to inform him about the blog awards&#8230; it&#8217;s right there on the flying chair website for the world to see. If it&#8217;s in English and thus out of his usual sphere, well&#8230; that&#8217;s his problem. I would never think to complain if freechal ran a best Korean blog award and noone notified me.</p>
<p>Look, I have no problem with Korean-language entries on the list of nominees. If one of his readers thinks his site his the best, then he or she should go right ahead and vote for him. I do have a problem with 1) the race card being played (perhaps my translation was off the mark, but race was brought up), 2) the begging and groveling for votes, 3) and the ballot stuffing that goes on whenever Koreans get involve in such a survey. He&#8217;s guilty of the first two, and I&#8217;m betting that many of his &#8220;voters&#8221; are guilty of the third.</p>
<p>Yea, I&#8217;m upset&#8230; I&#8217;m upset because I was dumb enough to think that such a survey could be done without KOrean netizens catching wind of it and ruining the entire thing&#8230; just like they always do. I thought that maybe we could have a reasonably fair-and-square voting system, where the winner, whoever it is, would be deserving of the title.</p>
<p>Instead, the whole thing was turned into a joke.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s my last word on the subject&#8230;</p>
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BLOG NAME: 째징?? 째?쨈??? 쩐횈쩍쨘??쨍째<br />
쨀짧?? 쩌?쩍??? ???횠 ??쨍째쨈?째? ?횩쩍?쨈?쨈?. ??째징 쩐?쩌??? ??쩐?쩌짯 ??쨀?쩔징 횈첨쩍쨘횈짰쨍? ??쩌쨘 쨍첩?? 째? 째째쩐횈 ??짹? 쩐짼쨌?째? ??쨈?쨈?. 쨀짧쨈? ?? 횈첨쩍쨘횈짰쨍? ??쩌쨘??쨍? 쨍?쨔첩??쨀짧</p>
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TITLE: On-line Voting..<br />
BLOG NAME: Gossips about Everything in Korea<br />
Maybe some(maybe most of) foreigners are condemning one korean blogger&#8217;s post asking his readers to vote for his blog site at Asia Blog Awards. You can smell a tense atmosphere in Marmot&#8217;s post and Cathartidae&#8217;s post. In this case, It&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Marmot</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/12/27/asia-blogs-award-contest-comments/#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marmot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2003 02:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not even going to touch that - it's not like I've been over here saying "Vote for the White Guy."  Shit, I didn't even vote for me, and if anything, I thought I was trying to defend him in my post above.

Hell of a way to end things, ain't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not even going to touch that - it&#8217;s not like I&#8217;ve been over here saying &#8220;Vote for the White Guy.&#8221;  Shit, I didn&#8217;t even vote for me, and if anything, I thought I was trying to defend him in my post above.</p>
<p>Hell of a way to end things, ain&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/12/27/asia-blogs-award-contest-comments/#comment-1235</link>
		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2003 02:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, he's been ranting about our "?짠???짢??쩌???", whereas so far them fellas have demonstrated a far greater propention to circle the bandwagons and call the good guys at the rescue...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, he&#8217;s been ranting about our &#8220;?짠???짢??쩌???&#8221;, whereas so far them fellas have demonstrated a far greater propention to circle the bandwagons and call the good guys at the rescue&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/12/27/asia-blogs-award-contest-comments/#comment-1234</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have they gone ahead and stopped voting or are they restarting for a quick vote till January 3rd?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have they gone ahead and stopped voting or are they restarting for a quick vote till January 3rd?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/12/27/asia-blogs-award-contest-comments/#comment-1233</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom line: I have zero tolerance for Korean netizens and their online shenanigans. Time and time again I've seen them manipulate polls and surveys at various websites, totally destroying whatever value they might have had had Koreans not swarmed the site. If they didn't have such a history, then I might have let this little episode of ballot box-stuffing slide... but they do, so I won't.

It's their own damn fault for being such online troublemakers. I feel entirely justified in assuming the worst no matter what they're doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line: I have zero tolerance for Korean netizens and their online shenanigans. Time and time again I&#8217;ve seen them manipulate polls and surveys at various websites, totally destroying whatever value they might have had had Koreans not swarmed the site. If they didn&#8217;t have such a history, then I might have let this little episode of ballot box-stuffing slide&#8230; but they do, so I won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s their own damn fault for being such online troublemakers. I feel entirely justified in assuming the worst no matter what they&#8217;re doing.</p>
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		<title>By: The Marmot</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/12/27/asia-blogs-award-contest-comments/#comment-1232</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marmot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher: I haven't the faintest clue what's going on with the vote.

Brian: I have no desire to turn this into a war.  While I personally do not see how he can't understand that some foreigners might be a bit upset about how he introduced himself to this Awards list (especially given that if I wrote something similar, I'd have certainly earned the wrath of more than one Netizen), Blue Moon does have a point when he says that none of us directly told him about it on his blog or through e-mail.  I had left comments on his blog, but since I didn't take what he said seriously, I didn't complain. He seems to be pissed that we're over here bitching among ourselves about him.  Seems like a good point to me, although this is not to say that there have not been some rather critical comments left by readers on his blog - one in particular stands out - concerning the foreigner blogs.  Anyway, this issue is going nowhere, and to be frank, I'm not sure if it should have even been as issue in the first place - the only reason I posted what I did above is because I didn't want this to become a big thing.  This is not to say that you're not right, Brian - Blue Moon and I discussed the situation by e-mail, and while I generally accept his explanation for the "possibly" derogatory statement concerning us big nosers (I don't buy some of his explanations for some of the comments on his blog clearly indicating  cases of rather open illegal voting, however) - I still understand why you're upset, and perhaps you have a right to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher: I haven&#8217;t the faintest clue what&#8217;s going on with the vote.</p>
<p>Brian: I have no desire to turn this into a war.  While I personally do not see how he can&#8217;t understand that some foreigners might be a bit upset about how he introduced himself to this Awards list (especially given that if I wrote something similar, I&#8217;d have certainly earned the wrath of more than one Netizen), Blue Moon does have a point when he says that none of us directly told him about it on his blog or through e-mail.  I had left comments on his blog, but since I didn&#8217;t take what he said seriously, I didn&#8217;t complain. He seems to be pissed that we&#8217;re over here bitching among ourselves about him.  Seems like a good point to me, although this is not to say that there have not been some rather critical comments left by readers on his blog - one in particular stands out - concerning the foreigner blogs.  Anyway, this issue is going nowhere, and to be frank, I&#8217;m not sure if it should have even been as issue in the first place - the only reason I posted what I did above is because I didn&#8217;t want this to become a big thing.  This is not to say that you&#8217;re not right, Brian - Blue Moon and I discussed the situation by e-mail, and while I generally accept his explanation for the &#8220;possibly&#8221; derogatory statement concerning us big nosers (I don&#8217;t buy some of his explanations for some of the comments on his blog clearly indicating  cases of rather open illegal voting, however) - I still understand why you&#8217;re upset, and perhaps you have a right to be.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/12/27/asia-blogs-award-contest-comments/#comment-1231</link>
		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"One of his supporters says he'll have to use a different computer because he already voted."
just clean up your cookies. Dummy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One of his supporters says he&#8217;ll have to use a different computer because he already voted.&#8221;<br />
just clean up your cookies. Dummy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/12/27/asia-blogs-award-contest-comments/#comment-1230</link>
		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I drunk. What I ate. What I shat.
Like the girlies blogs in Singapore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I drunk. What I ate. What I shat.<br />
Like the girlies blogs in Singapore.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/12/27/asia-blogs-award-contest-comments/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, if I would go for a blog from an actual Korean speaker (even though he posts in English) it would be baekdu.org.  But of course I can't read Korean so this puts my judgement at a disadvantage.

And Yangban certainly did call it (all hail the wise Yangban! ;) ) so that's a major hat tip to him.  I guess you have to expect this sort of raction among a tight-nit population that is the most internet active on earth.  I'm surprised more votes haven't been flying around.

What do most Korean language blogs consist of anyways?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, if I would go for a blog from an actual Korean speaker (even though he posts in English) it would be baekdu.org.  But of course I can&#8217;t read Korean so this puts my judgement at a disadvantage.</p>
<p>And Yangban certainly did call it (all hail the wise Yangban! <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) so that&#8217;s a major hat tip to him.  I guess you have to expect this sort of raction among a tight-nit population that is the most internet active on earth.  I&#8217;m surprised more votes haven&#8217;t been flying around.</p>
<p>What do most Korean language blogs consist of anyways?</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/12/27/asia-blogs-award-contest-comments/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I don't think the blogs should be broken down by language. If the blogs are about Korea, they should be grouped together regardless of language."

Not surprisingly, Blue Tylenol disagrees with you: "??? ?????짹??흹 ??◈??짯??쨍??쑣??쨈 [...]". Although this guy and others are most obviously Korean, their blogs don't special bring much to the reader... And a site like Hochan is a rehash of things happening in the English-language blogosphere...

This little "??? ?????짹??흹 ??◈??짯??쨍??쑣??쨈" remark says it all, Robert: we will never belong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think the blogs should be broken down by language. If the blogs are about Korea, they should be grouped together regardless of language.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not surprisingly, Blue Tylenol disagrees with you: &#8220;??? ?????짹??흹 ??◈??짯??쨍??쑣??쨈 [...]&#8220;. Although this guy and others are most obviously Korean, their blogs don&#8217;t special bring much to the reader&#8230; And a site like Hochan is a rehash of things happening in the English-language blogosphere&#8230;</p>
<p>This little &#8220;??? ?????짹??흹 ??◈??짯??쨍??쑣??쨈&#8221; remark says it all, Robert: we will never belong.</p>
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