Comments on: Koguryeo was part of China?

By: khakiandbeige

khakiandbeige — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:50:46 +0000

China admitted Goguryeo as part of Korean history until 1980’s.
Why do they make different claim now?

I heard it’s because China’s aware of Koreans’s right of reclaiming “Kando” territory which was once Korean’s before 1910 Japanese rule. Japan & China illegally assigned this part to Japan without Korean participation. Now after the WWII, the day of expiration for reclaiming old territory is approaching. It may be the direct reason why China’s doing the trick.

By: Joon

Joon — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:08:54 +0000

I’m Full Korean although I’m living in the United States please tell me If I sound totally biased or something.
I think that Goguryeo is pretty much Korean History.I think this because after Balhae fell a lot of the people went to Koryeo (Another successor state) including the crown prince. And seeing as Koryeo is in present Koreas it makes more sense, and is what the Name Korea is derived from. Another reason is “Old China” never owned the Manchuria Area until the Yuan dynasty which was controlled by the Mongols (Kublai Khan the grandson of Genghis Khan the Asian equivalent to Alexander) And I believe that it was conquered After Goguryeo AND Balhae fell. This doesn’t have too much to do with it, but I think Mongolia should be asking for like some of the Land back. And well if anything I think the Mongols should be claiming Goguryeo. But they don’t have anything to do with it, but China is saying that it owns it due to it’s location.

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By: ken

ken — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:36:46 +0000

koguryeo is one of the kingdom in korean history and chinese are just lying because they just want to look better in hystory
The chinese should look themselves behind and should reflect themselves

By: jyk

jyk — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:31:08 +0000

yes,, China was indeed a very powerful influence to Korea at that time,,,(and still is) just think a tiny Korean peninsula attatched to humongous country.. yup, Througout Korean history, Korea was constantly oppressed by China. Constanly attacked by China at north and Japan at south… Ofcourse, wars caused by such attacks were greatly outnumbered by Chinese, thus Korea continually seeked alliance with China. But sometimes wars would replace burdensome alliance and such was what happened between China and Koguryeo. The Sui dynasty in China attempted three unsucessful attacks toward Koguryeo. Ofcourse, the Koguyeons were greatly outnumbered but managed to defeat succesively under the leadership of general Ulji Mundok. Infact these battles were among the most successful wars among Korean history that it is even recorded in ancinet Chinese history….
So my point is,,, if Koguryeo was part of ethnic group in China, why would have China so desparately wanted to attack Koguryo at that time? Why would Silla form alliance with China to attack Koguryeo? Its like attacking its own country..

By: Someone

Someone — Sat, 01 May 2004 18:22:38 +0000

Mr. John Yu, you make a very good point. However, you are assuming that Shilla people are Corean but not Koguryo or Baekje. Unlike the cases of Spain and France, Koguryo has always been part of Corean history. From Koguryo came Koryo and came Korea or Corea. Koguryo is not only a part of Corean history, but of Corean culture. As far as Coreans can remember, Koguryo has always been part of Corea. Chinese on the other hand probably don’t know who or what Koguryo is. My question is why the Chinese never claimed Koguryo as part of their history before and why all of a sudden? What is the motif?

If you told the North Coreans that Koguryo was Chinese and that they are decendents of Shilla, I’m sure you are going to get a very bad reaction. From my understanding, they don’t even acknowledge Shilla as their ancestors. They acknowledge Koguryo and Koryo.

I’m sure most of all this is political and stupid, but it is important to remember that Koguryo was and always will a significant part of the Corean soul.

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By: The Marmot

The Marmot — Sun, 25 Apr 2004 22:45:31 +0000

Not only am I curious about the vitrol, I’m also wondering why I’m still getting comments on this post — I put it up in November of last year. How are you guys surfing into this? Has it been linked to in some forum site or something?

By: John Yu

John Yu — Sun, 25 Apr 2004 22:17:06 +0000

I’m not so sure why there is such vitriol concerning this subject, since this type of historic phenomenon exists in so many other countries. But, in those cases, the countries involved don’t insist on an exclusive claim to a particular history while shutting out the claims of any other country.

For example, there used to be a Kingdom of Navarre that spans the modern borders of France and Spain. At the time of it’s existance, it was viewed as a sperate entity from the Kingdom of France and the Kingdoms of Castile and Aragon. Spain in its modern form had not come into existance yet. In addition to this political separateness, a cultural one existed too, with Navarre using a form of the Langue d’Oc as its main language, different from the Langue d’Oil in use in Paris of that time. However, Navarre is considered part of BOTH French AND Spanish history now, since its territorial holdings span both countries now. There’s no attempt by either country to claim sole proprietorship of Navarre’s history or culture.

Similarly, the once independent Duchy of Burgundy spanned the current borders of France and Germany. And once again, both countries legitimately incorporates that history into its own.

I think if you look at history, you’ll notice that across the world, borders are fluid and entire kingdoms and civilizations, that were once considered independent, have disappeared over the centuries. Many times you have these entities that no longer exist that can validly be claimed by more than once country based on many factors such as geography or culture.

If you look at Korguyo, it considered itself a separate entity from both Silla and the various neighboring Chinese dynasties and kingdoms. This can be clearly seen in both its diplomatic and military activities. Not only did Korguryo documents refer to both Silla and the various Chinese dynasties that they dealt with as separate entities, they sent diplomatic missions to both, and fought wars with both.

In terms of language, art, and architecture too, they differed from both.

I guess my question, in the end, is why can’t China and Korea both claim Korguryo as part of its history and conduct research, scholarship, and acheology on the parts of the former kingdom that fall within their current borders? If other countries can do it, why can’t it be done there?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:28:07 +0000

“You are very arrogant, but that is OK, I think it is funny.”

“Well, I’m sure the Chinese gov’t have studies that discount these “records.” So, your assuming quite a bit by stating “Goguryeo was a Korean kingdom, no doubt about it.”

I think people such as yourself are arrogant. The analogy I can use to describe korea in these situations is similar to a girl child in the control of her pedophile prone, stronger stepparent. The girl has to be careful not to ruffle any feathers or incite any animosity. It also is at the mercy if it wants what it can take. Its a ripple effect, people then nations. Look deeply in your own ugly hearts and know what people are motivated by.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:20:44 +0000

Whats further interesting is the chinese and japanese have more purposefully faulty historical and racial studies combined than little old hated korea. Interesting but pathetically revealing..

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:17:27 +0000

Also their are snide condescending tones regarding korea I’ve witnessed many times but it is accepted as korea is a small nation that just better speak only when spoken to attitude. Though a bit concealed this dynamic is real. The way of disgusting hypocrisy