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		<title>By: Wedge</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/11/18/this-is-simply-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A more sensitive group of people than the Koreans you will have trouble finding on this planet.  Regarding the IMF flap, I remember the same type of picture showed Fischer or Camdessus with arms crossed looking down on a hapless Suharto - that was the image the Indos focused on and certainly helped end his rule.  And don't forget the MacArthur/Hirohito shot, with open collar Mac towering over the diminutive marine biologist.  Images are important in Asia.


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TITLE: I just love linguistic foibles,
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especially when it involves important people with heads about as big as some oceans. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, as reported by the Marmot, said the wrong word for hello in Korean when visiting Seoul today. Instead of saying the...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A more sensitive group of people than the Koreans you will have trouble finding on this planet.  Regarding the IMF flap, I remember the same type of picture showed Fischer or Camdessus with arms crossed looking down on a hapless Suharto - that was the image the Indos focused on and certainly helped end his rule.  And don&#8217;t forget the MacArthur/Hirohito shot, with open collar Mac towering over the diminutive marine biologist.  Images are important in Asia.</p>
<p>PING:<br />
TITLE: I just love linguistic foibles,<br />
BLOG NAME: Brainysmurf<br />
especially when it involves important people with heads about as big as some oceans. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, as reported by the Marmot, said the wrong word for hello in Korean when visiting Seoul today. Instead of saying the&#8230;</p>
<p>PING:<br />
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BLOG NAME: GatorLog: A blogger&#8217;s monologue<br />
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/11/18/this-is-simply-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trival or not?

Tabloid posting?

No...

The sad thing about Korea is that "events" like the great Rumsfeld 
insult DO make some difference in Korea.

This is one of the problems with people like ourselves who have lived
in Korea for years but come from our western understanding.

Things like the way the IMF chief was sitting or the misunderstanding
of what Rumsfeld said seems trivial and not worth commenting on.

Or in Infidales case, mentioning it is yellow journalism...

but we should admit to ourselves and allow those who don't have much
experience in Korea understand that such things are often big issues
in Korea.

Really.....who would have thought the way the IMF chief was sitting
would be THE big news item that stuck in the public's mind for a week
when the Korean economy was crashing around our ears?!???

We don't know yet, but the Rumsfeld insult misunderstanding could
easily have a lasting impression in mainstream Korea.

That is why it is more than a legitimate post on a blog about 
Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trival or not?</p>
<p>Tabloid posting?</p>
<p>No&#8230;</p>
<p>The sad thing about Korea is that &#8220;events&#8221; like the great Rumsfeld<br />
insult DO make some difference in Korea.</p>
<p>This is one of the problems with people like ourselves who have lived<br />
in Korea for years but come from our western understanding.</p>
<p>Things like the way the IMF chief was sitting or the misunderstanding<br />
of what Rumsfeld said seems trivial and not worth commenting on.</p>
<p>Or in Infidales case, mentioning it is yellow journalism&#8230;</p>
<p>but we should admit to ourselves and allow those who don&#8217;t have much<br />
experience in Korea understand that such things are often big issues<br />
in Korea.</p>
<p>Really&#8230;..who would have thought the way the IMF chief was sitting<br />
would be THE big news item that stuck in the public&#8217;s mind for a week<br />
when the Korean economy was crashing around our ears?!???</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know yet, but the Rumsfeld insult misunderstanding could<br />
easily have a lasting impression in mainstream Korea.</p>
<p>That is why it is more than a legitimate post on a blog about<br />
Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: peter schroepfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter schroepfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm in a commenting kinda mood so....

RE COMMENT: "I wasn't here then, but believe that Bush's March 2001 reference to Kim DJ as "this man" was also hyped into some slight to DJ."

I would hate to say something nice about Hong Sa-deok, who Marmot mentions in a later post today, but Hong was so offended at how Bush showed disrespect for Korea's head of state with that expression that he sent the White House an open letter about the matter, and instead it was KDJ's Cheong Wa Dae that came to Bush's defense, with some explanation about how "this man" should be interpreted as a Texan expression of frienship, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in a commenting kinda mood so&#8230;.</p>
<p>RE COMMENT: &#8220;I wasn&#8217;t here then, but believe that Bush&#8217;s March 2001 reference to Kim DJ as &#8220;this man&#8221; was also hyped into some slight to DJ.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would hate to say something nice about Hong Sa-deok, who Marmot mentions in a later post today, but Hong was so offended at how Bush showed disrespect for Korea&#8217;s head of state with that expression that he sent the White House an open letter about the matter, and instead it was KDJ&#8217;s Cheong Wa Dae that came to Bush&#8217;s defense, with some explanation about how &#8220;this man&#8221; should be interpreted as a Texan expression of frienship, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Infidel</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/11/18/this-is-simply-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Infidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a court of law, or even a western country. Expats have no duty to educate anyone. We have no duty to understand anyone or suspend judgment, pending a conviction. These are all very noble sentiments in a civilized country, but not here. Its our job to call it honestly, and compel ou leaders to punish those who resort to these delaying tactics. Just as Pyongyang and Beijing falsely accused the UN Coomand of bombing negotiation sites, we don't have to investigate to defer to our society's values. We need to respond to the tactic with overwhelming indignation. Washington should demand an apology from Seoul for the actions of its citizens, and either halt negotiations and/or unilaterally issue a decision on the redeployment. The shock of the response will jar Seoul into reality.

"To sit down with these men and deal with them as with representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride one's own dignity and to invite the disaster their treachery will inevitably bring upon us." (Gen. Matthew Ridgway, 1951)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a court of law, or even a western country. Expats have no duty to educate anyone. We have no duty to understand anyone or suspend judgment, pending a conviction. These are all very noble sentiments in a civilized country, but not here. Its our job to call it honestly, and compel ou leaders to punish those who resort to these delaying tactics. Just as Pyongyang and Beijing falsely accused the UN Coomand of bombing negotiation sites, we don&#8217;t have to investigate to defer to our society&#8217;s values. We need to respond to the tactic with overwhelming indignation. Washington should demand an apology from Seoul for the actions of its citizens, and either halt negotiations and/or unilaterally issue a decision on the redeployment. The shock of the response will jar Seoul into reality.</p>
<p>&#8220;To sit down with these men and deal with them as with representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride one&#8217;s own dignity and to invite the disaster their treachery will inevitably bring upon us.&#8221; (Gen. Matthew Ridgway, 1951)</p>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/11/18/this-is-simply-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, would respectfully beg to differ with Joseph on the "tabloid" comment. By my count, nearly all of the major South Korean emotional eruptions against the United States were exacerbated (if not outright triggered) by shoddy or dishonest local media reporting, of which the "I'm Young/Annyong" controversy was a slightly milder example. 

-In the speed skating kerfuffle, South Korea readers were told outright that Ohno won a judging decision biased to favour U.S. hosts. Whole angry editorials were built on that supposed "fact".
-Mainstream media concocted a whole slew of "facts" about the schoolgirl's deaths that no doubt inflamed public opinion. They also groundlessly declared one after another of the U.S. apologies as insincere.

With South Koreans as prone to overraction (and inclined to give feelings more weight than facts) as they have shown themselves to be, I think it is well worth highlighting these "trivial" issues before they blow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, would respectfully beg to differ with Joseph on the &#8220;tabloid&#8221; comment. By my count, nearly all of the major South Korean emotional eruptions against the United States were exacerbated (if not outright triggered) by shoddy or dishonest local media reporting, of which the &#8220;I&#8217;m Young/Annyong&#8221; controversy was a slightly milder example. </p>
<p>-In the speed skating kerfuffle, South Korea readers were told outright that Ohno won a judging decision biased to favour U.S. hosts. Whole angry editorials were built on that supposed &#8220;fact&#8221;.<br />
-Mainstream media concocted a whole slew of &#8220;facts&#8221; about the schoolgirl&#8217;s deaths that no doubt inflamed public opinion. They also groundlessly declared one after another of the U.S. apologies as insincere.</p>
<p>With South Koreans as prone to overraction (and inclined to give feelings more weight than facts) as they have shown themselves to be, I think it is well worth highlighting these &#8220;trivial&#8221; issues before they blow up.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/11/18/this-is-simply-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2003 05:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So that you guys learn something today...

The IMF honcho was, at that time, Michel Camdessus, Managing Director of the IMF from January 1987 to February 2000. He was serving his third term.
&lt;a href="http://www.imf.org/external/np/omd/bios/mc.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.imf.org/external/np/omd/bios/mc.htm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So that you guys learn something today&#8230;</p>
<p>The IMF honcho was, at that time, Michel Camdessus, Managing Director of the IMF from January 1987 to February 2000. He was serving his third term.<br />
<a href="http://www.imf.org/external/np/omd/bios/mc.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.imf.org/external/np/omd/bios/mc.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Marmot</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/11/18/this-is-simply-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-667</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marmot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2003 04:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"So, why even mention it?"

Well, because I didn't have time to make my big Rummy post yet, it was the number 1 hit piece over at Yahoo! Korea News, I thought it was amusing, it's my blog, and I figured I'll post it.

"This is tabloid posting!"

True enough, but not every post has to be friggin' political treatise.  Besides, if it was good enough for Yonhap, it's good enough for The Marmot's Hole.  If you think it's a crappy post (and I'll be the first to admit that there's are a lot of crappy posts on this blog), feel free NOT to link to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, why even mention it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, because I didn&#8217;t have time to make my big Rummy post yet, it was the number 1 hit piece over at Yahoo! Korea News, I thought it was amusing, it&#8217;s my blog, and I figured I&#8217;ll post it.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is tabloid posting!&#8221;</p>
<p>True enough, but not every post has to be friggin&#8217; political treatise.  Besides, if it was good enough for Yonhap, it&#8217;s good enough for The Marmot&#8217;s Hole.  If you think it&#8217;s a crappy post (and I&#8217;ll be the first to admit that there&#8217;s are a lot of crappy posts on this blog), feel free NOT to link to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Infidel</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2003/11/18/this-is-simply-retarded/comment-page-1/#comment-666</link>
		<dc:creator>Infidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, why even mention it?

Really, I'd just like to wipe all these things I know about Korea from my head! This is tabloid posting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, why even mention it?</p>
<p>Really, I&#8217;d just like to wipe all these things I know about Korea from my head! This is tabloid posting!</p>
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		<title>By: usinkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>usinkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the few times I was a little exasperated by 
my adult students was during the 1997-98 economic 
collapse.

For two or three days, they came in talking about "the
arrogant Americans" who were pushing Korea around and
forcing horrible "concessions" to the IMF bailout.

In particular, they were enraged at the way the IMF chief
who came to visit Kim Dae Jung was SITTING at the photo
op!

They said it was a clear sign of arrogance how the man
(not an American) was sitting back on the couch with
his legs crossed, speaking to Kim as if he were the
Emperor and Kim was his servant.

While poor Kim sat on the edge of his seat stiff and
respectful.

I told my students, "Don't you think there are some 
other things to worry about and get ticked over?  How
about the chaebol heads?  How about the government
that saw this coming for months but couldn't reform
the economy?"

It was tough to hear all this "IMF Emperor Sitting 
Scandal" when I was watching the US dollar value of 
my salary slide deeper and deeper into the crapper.
Especially since I was scheduled to go home for an
extended vacation at the end of a contract in just a few
months!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the few times I was a little exasperated by<br />
my adult students was during the 1997-98 economic<br />
collapse.</p>
<p>For two or three days, they came in talking about &#8220;the<br />
arrogant Americans&#8221; who were pushing Korea around and<br />
forcing horrible &#8220;concessions&#8221; to the IMF bailout.</p>
<p>In particular, they were enraged at the way the IMF chief<br />
who came to visit Kim Dae Jung was SITTING at the photo<br />
op!</p>
<p>They said it was a clear sign of arrogance how the man<br />
(not an American) was sitting back on the couch with<br />
his legs crossed, speaking to Kim as if he were the<br />
Emperor and Kim was his servant.</p>
<p>While poor Kim sat on the edge of his seat stiff and<br />
respectful.</p>
<p>I told my students, &#8220;Don&#8217;t you think there are some<br />
other things to worry about and get ticked over?  How<br />
about the chaebol heads?  How about the government<br />
that saw this coming for months but couldn&#8217;t reform<br />
the economy?&#8221;</p>
<p>It was tough to hear all this &#8220;IMF Emperor Sitting<br />
Scandal&#8221; when I was watching the US dollar value of<br />
my salary slide deeper and deeper into the crapper.<br />
Especially since I was scheduled to go home for an<br />
extended vacation at the end of a contract in just a few<br />
months!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Eckert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Eckert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a foreign reporter covering the Roh administation, I'm regularly surprised at how often local scribes will ask me about perceived slights to Korean officials read into the language of foreign leaders. During Roh's trip to Wshington, he was described by Bush as "easy to talk to" and some of the Korean press tried to spin that into something closer to "easy to manipulate/have my way with". I wasn't here then, but believe that Bush's March 2001 reference to Kim DJ as "this man" was also hyped into some slight to DJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a foreign reporter covering the Roh administation, I&#8217;m regularly surprised at how often local scribes will ask me about perceived slights to Korean officials read into the language of foreign leaders. During Roh&#8217;s trip to Wshington, he was described by Bush as &#8220;easy to talk to&#8221; and some of the Korean press tried to spin that into something closer to &#8220;easy to manipulate/have my way with&#8221;. I wasn&#8217;t here then, but believe that Bush&#8217;s March 2001 reference to Kim DJ as &#8220;this man&#8221; was also hyped into some slight to DJ.</p>
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