Comments on: Prof. Song Du-yul - A Couple of Thoughts

By: Paul Edwards

Paul Edwards — Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:39:36 +0000

Ok Stavros, let’s start at the top.

“See, this is why I don’t bother with this politico-wankery”

The trouble with the left wing is that they never consider the possibility that it might just be them who is coming up with the politico-wankery, in the absence of any evidence to back up their immoral arguments equating a democratically elected leader of a liberal democracy, with a Stalinist dictator presiding over gulags.

“The next bit of your post, about “ending Cold War ideology”.

“Dude, I was re-quoting quoted speech from Marmot’s original post.”

Yes, you requoted it, saying that it was close to the mark. Given that the original author isn’t readily available to cross-examine, I thought I’d do the next best thing, which is to ask someone who agreed with it, to justify it.

“Try again.”

See above.

“If there is hypocrisy on the right, and there may well be, anything is possible, just show me the evidence, it pales into insignificance compared to what the left passes off as morality.”

“You lose again, son.”

I do? With what counterargument demonstrating hipocrisy?

“Learn to think beyond labels and oversimplifications”

The trouble with the left is they never seem to be able to apply their own advice to themselves.

“and -isms, learn to stop demonizing your rhetorical” “opponents, and get back to me when you grow up.

See above.

“… if you can’t see the gross immorality of that,” “I won’t be able to explain it to you.”

“And if you can’t see why GWB and his cohort of” “lying scum”

See above about “demonizing blah blah blah”.

Some simple questions:

1. What lie are you referring to?

2. Which bit of liberating peoples from tyrants do you consider makes him scum?

“belong in prison,”

3. Which particular act was a criminal offence, and was it a first offence, and if so, was he proven guilty in a court of law, or does the presumption of innocence no longer apply in your version of America another example of the left wing hipocrisy when they complain about GWB undermining rights, when they would do far worse if given half a chance - a reason why the price of democracy is eternal vigilance).

As for your list of “reasons for sending Bush to prison”, I hope you numbered them in the order of importance, because I can only take so much left wing lies before we get into the stage where they cease to recognize logical thought. So in the interests of limiting the size of this message, let’s just start with the first lie.

“1. Bush spent the U.S. surplus”

Surpluses/deficits happen year by year. You can’t spend a surplus, because then you no longer have a surplus. This is a simple problem with logic.

“and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.”

The USA is a *long* way from bankruptcy, the costs of the War on Terror are annoying, but not remotely fatal. The Korean War required a MUCH higher percentage of GDP spent on it. This one is el-cheapo.

Besides which, if you are GENUINELY concerned about fiscal prudence, if you ask him nicely, I’m sure GWB will slash spending on all your favourite programs, and then you will instead be whinging about the “uncaring Bush administration with its draconian cuts”.

Just face it, you don’t give a toss about deficits, you just want to take a cheap shot at GWB who is basically paying for what it costs to liberate the world of tyrants and replace them with liberal democracies who will no longer threaten anyone else. He may get sniped at from elements of the gutter while he does it, but history will record that GWB was the one who finally decided that the right of people to not be raped and killed by their own government, was more important than his right to claim “sovereign immunity”, and if he happened to pose even the remotest threat to the rest of the world, he just signed his own death warrant.

Anyway, if you can’t even understand this first point, and simply admit that you’re just another left wing hypocrite STILL unable to find even TRACES of right wing hipocrisy, there’s no point continuing with the other points, which I will similarly despatch.

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By: The Marmot

The Marmot — Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:31:48 +0000

Well, this post has definately yielded unpredicted responses…

BTW, Mr. Stavros, did you actually type in all those links one by one or did you have them all ready to go somewhere else?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:36:48 +0000

“Learn to think beyond labels and oversimplifications and -isms, learn to stop demonizing your rhetorical opponents, and get back to me when you grow up.”

Umm. Pot, meet kettle. Your entire next post is nothing but oversimplifications.

Also, discuss Thomas Jefferson’s attack on the Barbary Pirates, which was opposed by most nations at the time.

“…leaving the nation in higher than ever unemployment.”

OK, can you possibly believe this statement? Unemployment of 6% is clearly lower than many, many times in the nation’s history. If you’re talking absolute numbers, then you’re equally not to be trusted, because that’s just ridiculous and meaningless.

I also can’t possibly reconcile your statements about hating dictators like those in North Korea with your comments about the UN and the UN Human Rights Commission. Anyone following the UN Human Rights Commission knows that just over half its members right now are the world’s worst human rights abusers. Those countries get on the commission in order to defang it.

Expecting the UN General Assembly to vote against dictators, given its overall makeup, is like expecting turkeys to vote for Thanksgiving.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:06:36 +0000

Stavros, if the person above already lost by referring to “the right” or “the left” in a blanket way, you’ve certainly already lost with blanket statements like this:

“Bush removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any president in U.S. history.”

More than any? The Alien and Sedition Acts were easily worse. What Andrew Jackson did to the Cherokee, defying the Supreme Court, was worse. The internment camps for Japanese during World War II, not a worse abuse of civil liberties? The invention of the administrative subpoena during the New Deal? The Palmer raids? Loyalty Acts? Abraham Lincoln suspending habeaus corpus during the Civil War, or placing Baltimore under martial law? (Now, I certainly approve of the Civil War, but certainly civil liberties were sacrificed during it.)

In addition, so, so many of your points are complete abuses of mathematics, ignoring population increase and inflation.